Front a-arm solution needed.

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Front a-arm solution needed.

« on: February 11, 2007, 09:46:25 AM »

I'm looking for a solution for the front a-arm problem when lowering the car. The car isn't slammed, just lowered enough to have a decent ride and look good at the same time. So I'm looking to get the a-arms back to parallel, but I'd love to get them back to the positive range.
I would think a drop spindle would be the best solution, but also was trying to figure out a way to space the ball joint. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 10:06:48 AM »

That is a tough one. I think the only way you could do it effectivly would be to change the inside mounting points of the control arm. If someone makes a knuckle with a extended "tab" for your lower ball joint that might work but then you will run into wheel clearance issues. The easiest way yould be get them as close to zero as possible then corner balance the car. But would you want to live with the look? Either way it will always be a compromise. Give up handling for looks and vise versa.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 10:23:31 AM »

i saw some guys on tex make BJ spacers, worked well but did have rim issues. on my pick up i paln to move the contorl arms mounting points up and run a slightly shorter arm to off set the drop, along w/ move the rack up a touch to keep from having mad bupm steer......


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 12:08:21 PM »

I've seen tubular a-arms that are crazy priced. By the looks of them They would need a custom mounting ponit for the rear mount on the arm. I was thinking of a spacer for the BJ. If I could somehow use a threaded BJ, like on a VR6, thread it into the spacer and clamp the top of the spacer just like the stock BJ would, I think it may work. I think the VR BJ's are at an angle, plus I'm not sure if the mounting holes are the same.

If I could press a VR BJ into a MK1 housing, this would work even easier.

Then there's the wheel clearance. I only need to move a little bit. A drop spindle would be the hotshit. I think Shine made them a while back, but they were crazy expensive.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 01:50:37 PM »

there was a guy that was experimenting with cutting the stock spindles to accomplish this. i cant seem to find it though. ill keep looking. somewhere on vortex.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 02:34:51 PM »

i have definitely seen ball joint spacers used, i would search the vortex this guy with a shitbox caddy was making some,but he was a good machinist it seemed


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2007, 04:12:04 PM »

Julian, I'm understanding it's the tie rod that is the part that wants to be parallel to reduce bumpsteer. I've been looking into this and there is a way to use MK2 spindles and a few other parts MK2 specific. If you search the vortex there was a thread a while ago or search WackyWabbitRacers threads. He did this. I hear it cures alot on lowered cars.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2007, 04:39:35 PM »

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2502960

that is one of the threads that WWR is quoted in for doing this. they also say the ONLY reason for doing this is for a larger bearing and hub. not to cure lowered cars. at least from what i read.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2007, 06:53:40 PM »

Yeah I think I'm going to copy his design for the extenders. I think by tig welding them to the knuckle is a fail-safe method rather than bolting twice or clamping twice. The tie rod may need to be flipped to the underside of the mounting point on the spindle to keep it at the same angle with the a-arm, but I have to see if this will even work with the taper. Either way, I'm gonna make this work along with raising the strut top mounting points.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2007, 07:19:45 PM »

I took these at the Bonelli GTG.

Is this what you have in mind?


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2007, 08:13:09 PM »

Kind of, but I'm not crazy about the heim joint in place of the ball joint. Seems a little weak being a thread and all. I'd rather see a solid piece with some sort of bearing. I also think tubular arms wouldn't have enough flex for the street. WWR sent me a pic of his. Basically a stock BJ clamp cut off the knuckle, a piece of steel welded in its place and the clamp relocated to the bottom of the steel "spacer". I'm gonna find a spare set of spindles I can mess with.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 08:24:27 PM »

Quote from: Oldskool84 on February 11, 2007, 08:13:09 PM

Intersting, care to share the pic on here? Or E-mail it to me and I'll host it up. My old codriver in Eugene is running a set of steel balljoint spacers.


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 09:50:25 AM »

i hope to make my own stuff as for contorl arms, maybe if i come up w/ a easy way to move the arms up i could make a spare set..... w/ the lift i should bemore motovated to work on stuff faster


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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

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Re: Front a-arm solution needed.

« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 06:39:15 PM »

does he have a closer picture of what he has done with the tie rod in the picture. it looks to be turned upside down and have some kind of spacer plus more.


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